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Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Why I Date


Clare wrote a post last month called "Why I Don't Date," offering some very sensible reasons to avoid the dating scene. Her post gave me pause, however, because, you see, I do date. I went on my first date when I was 17 years old and have gone on dates with some regularity ever since. Even if my relationship with a particular guy doesn't work out, I genuinely enjoy the dating experience, and I think that dating is a healthy activity for the average Catholic young woman to engage in. So, with Clare's permission to open up the floor for discussion, here are my reasons for Why I Do Date:

1. Because I'm in my 20s and out of college. Clare had a very good point when she said that the phenomenon of preteens dating is silly and misguided. Similarly, there isn't a whole lot of dating on college campuses, no matter where you go (although there is some). But in the adult, post-college world, everyone dates. It's pretty much what people do. You might meet the occasional person who prefers "courting" to "dating," but in practice, as adults living away from our parents, the difference between the two is negligible. Going on dates is the most common way to get to know a guy and start a romantic relationship. Which brings me to my next point...


2. Because it's a good way to get to know a guy. It's certainly important to get to know a guy in the context of his family, and a guy's friends are excellent indicators of the kind of man he is. But think about it - if you end up marrying this guy, you're going to be spending an awful lot of time alone with him for the rest of your life. Better make sure you get along just the two of you. Besides, people act very differently in a group setting than they do one-on-one. A guy might be the life of a party with his friends, but pays little attention to you in private. Similarly, a guy who is shy in a group may be kind, sweet and sincere one-on-one. A relationship is ultimately about just the two of you, not about his mom's or your best friend's opinion, and it's important to acknowledge this by spending time together privately.

3. Honestly, because it's fun! I love the whole experience of going on a date. You get all dressed up and pretty, you get excited butterflies in your stomach, you go out to dinner, and you do something enjoyable with a kind, cute man. However, this comes with a caveat: As fun as dating may be, you don't want to lead a guy on. Saying "yes" to a date should be because you really like the guy and want to get to know him better. It's probably not a good idea to go on a date "just for fun!" - unless the guy is on the same page and is ok with that approach. Ideally, of course, you're already good friends with a guy before dating him. It would be awful to go out with a guy you don't know very well only to discover that he's actually not a gentleman at all. So yes, it's fun, but one must be cautious and mindful of the guy's feelings.


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So you see, there are also a few warnings that should go along with dating. After all, as with all matters of the heart, there is the danger that things could go wrong. There are certainly good reasons to choose not to date, and with that in mind, here are some things I've learned from my own experiences and those of my friends to make dating a better, happier, holier experience for everyone.

1. Be awfully wary of physical intimacy. As Catholic young women, we've been raised to understand the importance of chastity. Our parents and teachers taught us this stuff for a reason, and they were 100% right. I personally think that, as far as physical intimacy is concerned, you can't move slowly enough.

2. Remember emotional modesty too. As women, we are more attracted by what we hear from a guy than how he looks. If you find start confiding all your secrets and your life story to a guy, and he proves a sympathetic ear, you will probably end up falling for him. Emotional boundaries are as important as physical ones, and people don't talk about this nearly enough, in my opinion. Be private and discreet. If you possibly can, don't confide in a guy friend (even if you think you could never fall for him); that's what girl friends are for. Save the emotional unveiling for marriage. I wish someone had impressed this upon me at an earlier age.


3. Don't expect to marry a guy you date in your teens. Unless you're more mature than most girls, you probably won't marry your high school sweetheart. Sorry, I know, nobody wants to hear this. I sure didn't. But based on the experiences of almost everybody I know, teenage relationships don't have a tendency to last. So I think, if you can avoid it, it's a good idea not to date in high school. Plenty of time for that later, in college and after college.

4. There's no one-size-fits-all for romantic relationships. I think you really have to take these things on a guy-by-guy basis. One guy might want to go on 3 or 4 casual dates before considering it an official relationship. Another might ask you to be his girlfriend before even going on a single date! Still another might pay for your dinner but not consider it a date (weird, right? But it happens). So I guess all you can really do is kind of go with the flow and let him take the lead.

What do you think? As a Catholic Young Woman, do you go on dates, or do you prefer "courting," or some other model? Why or why not? I would love to hear your opinions!

26 comments:

  1. Nice post, Tess! Though I agree with Clare's argument in some aspects and yours in others, it's nice to see a post written from this angle. :)

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  2. Hello!

    I don't really understand the emotional modesty thing you talk about, so maybe you can enlighten me! I get the concept of being wary of allowing yourself to become too emotionally attached to someone who isn't necessarily the right person for you (similarly to being wary of physical contact when they aren't necessarily ... etc), but the way you talk about it I don't really understand. Why would you not confide in your guy friends the way you confide in girls? Why moreover would you not confide in your date/boyfriend? Surely this IS the getting-to-know-each-other process? Surely some kind of "emotional unveiling" would have to take place to know someone well enough to marry them?

    Or maybe I've misunderstood - in any case I'd be glad to hear your or anyone else's responses! Thanks.

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  3. Thanks for writing this Tess! While I feel like Clare had very valid points, I agree with what you are saying. I don't think there is just one way to fall in love. Dating is just one of those ways!

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  4. Some excellent advice as to why dating is healthy, with the correct precautions. And I agree, the emotional modesty is not addressed enough even in Christian circles.

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  5. I'm so glad you decided to do this. At 18, at the start of Advent 2011, I made a decision to remain single for a season. I've had a few relationships in high school, and realized I needed to grow more in my relationship with God & my sisters - since those are most important at this time in my life, and all throughout my life, when I'll sisters to support me & help me & understand me in ways my husband won't, but you also make many valid points, and I greatly appreciate the openness you had about it. Also, I'd have to agree, early 20's post college, is a great time to date & to be open to dating!

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  6. I am only in highschool, I will start off with saying that. But with the few relationships I've been in I think that you've made a very good point. Most girl's my age are not going to be ready for a serious relationship. Going on casual dates is fine if you are able to not fall for the guy immediatley and can use discresion. Frankly though, I like the idea of courting just a little. I have no problem with going on dates, in fact I think they're great. I guess I'm just a bit of a romantic like that. My advice and opinion though, relationships are to find a spouse which is something that should not happen until you are ready to find this spouse. My simple two cents on the matter.

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  7. I date as well and have learned a lot about what I want and don't want in a relationship or future spouse.

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  8. Thanks for posting this! I heartily agree that dating is a healthy activity for young Catholic women. I used to be confused about dating, wondering whether I should go out on dates with different guys to try find "the one", or simply stay out of the dating scene and wait until I was sure I had found "the one" before being in a dating relationship with him.

    Well, I didn't really have to make that choice- because no one ever asked me out (you're certainly right that not much dating goes on at college). I went through high school and three years at university as a single girl who had never dated.

    I met my boyfriend last year, when I was a junior. We became good friends and just sort of slid into a relationship without ever going out on an official date. In my case, we felt a mutual attraction, he pursued me, and we are now in a serious relationship (ie discerning marriage).

    The reason I never dated before this relationship wasn't because I did not want to...it was because I was quiet, reserved, and frankly, did not garner much male attention until my boyfriend came along.

    But I wholeheartedly advocate dating in general, because if you're faithful Catholics who are attracted to one another, why not give dating a try and see if you are meant to be together and discern marriage? Sure, there is the risk that you might break up, but if you keep your relationship physically and emotionally chaste, as Tess advised, you should be able to grow from it, having learned something of how to love another.

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  9. Though I am not dating yet due to my age, when I get a little older I do plan to date. I had a priest tell me once that dating relationships are like stepping stones, each one preparing you for the next one. And so, even though it would be wonderful for one's first date to be with "Mr. Right," it's quite alright if a girl ends up going through a couple relationships first. I think, though, that as you, Tess, mentioned that it's important not to move too fast physically and emotionally, because if a girl pours all her thoughts and secrets on every guy she dates, that's quite a few people who could end up walking around knowing too much about her. Overall, I guess you could say I agree with both of you. Waiting to begin dating until college or after, when one truly feels they're mature enough to handle a relationship, is very important. But, once one reaches a certain age and maturity and she knows she is called to marriage, then as long as wholesome Catholic men are asking her out, I think it would be beneficial for her to accept. And, anyway, who knows who that "Mr. Right" is going to be! :) Thanks for the article, Tess!

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  10. I agree that once you are into college and especially after it is okay to date, but you must be careful as well. As Clare, I don't think that dating just for fun is right...I think it should always be with the possibility of marriage. You can enjoy dating and still have a purpose to the relationship...don't ever date someone you wouldn't marry, and if you are dating and find that they are not the one for you to marry, end the relationship immediately. And yes, of course, it is best to know the person well before dating too.

    I think that it is very wise for people to "kiss dating goodbye" during high school. Other than a few rare circumstances, people do not marry their high school sweethearts (I think only 2% do). It is best to keep high school and maybe some of college, depending on your situation, for serving God alone and building yourself up in anticipation of a future romance.

    I think that many casual and useless relationships are harmless to the soul, but to pursue the goal of marriage by dating to see if one is right for another is alright once you are in college and beyond. Once reaching college, you must seek God for the right time because just because you are a college student doesn't mean you should automatically date. You should wait for a quality person to come along and then, if you feel God is okay with that, move ahead.

    I use both terms "dating" and "courtship" because I believe in both. I do not believe in the secular idea of dating casually for fun and physical involvement without commitment or purpose for the future. But good, Christian dating or courtship is fine with me...it looks differently for every couple (of course purity should be there no matter what).

    Thank you for these two posts!

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  11. "Emotional boundaries are as important as physical ones..."

    Well, crossing a physical boundary can be a mortal sin, while crossing an emotional boundary isn't (as far as I know). That being said, I have to disagree with the above statement. Yes, emotional boundaries do maintain a certain degree of importance in their own right, but to a lesser degree than stated.

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  12. I prefer "courting"...what can I say, I'm old-fashioned. Ideally, I'd rather just get to be good friends with a young man and gradually become closer to him. I dunno. I really oughtn't to be giving my opinion so freely, considering that I'm planning to become a sister. :p

    Victoria
    (http://raindropsandmoonlight.blogspot.com)

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    1. I agree with you Victoria! Even the sister part!

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  13. Thanks for the post Tess! I think there was relevance to everything you said, and especially as goes "emotional modesty" :) I'm a junior in college and dating someone right now who I've been good friends with for a couple years. I think dating is a good thing when you're starting to become old enough and (or at least close to)ready enough to be married. I do think your caution in regards to emotional modesty is a valid one, it's very easy for you to get attached to someone just because you've confided in them; keep these things treasured in your heart or for your friends and family until you know the guy better I think is a good thing if you don't know the person well enough yet. Now, if you've been good friends for a good space of time I wouldn't see it as being harmful, unless he'd be the only person you'd confide in (which isn't healthy no matter who it is - mother/brother/etc...) One thing that's good to keep in mind is that dating is spending one on one time together to get to know the person...if you're already doing that with someone, in a way you're already kind of dating, but no pressure. In my case I already had spent so much time with him (with and without other people), when he asked me to date him this semester, I was hesitant at first (I mean, I already knew him VERY well, and that I could love him more - given the chance - so what would be the point, I wondered? Would it be a wise choice.)In all honesty, I don't regret saying yes. Dating him has brought added stress and joy in my life, but it was still very different, because I now got to see him in a different light, as a boyfriend (really I wish there was a better word than that) and possibly a potential spouse. Its hard not to take relationships too seriously, or too casually for that matter. It's like kissing. I want to try and wait until I'm engaged before I romantically kiss any guy, which can be hard at times. (Fortutely, my boyfriend wants to wait until he's married to kiss a girl...no comment :) I'm not against kissing at all; in fact, I rather like seeing mature people who I know love each other do it, but I don't think it should be held in such high reverence (that seems to attach way too much importance to me), nor be done casually or in any way that would make it profane or vulgar. Perhaps I sound conflicting...but that's kind of why I want to try and wait until I'm engaged, because I don't know as I could or would want to wait longer, and I've always thought it would be an added delight for him to know that my lips have been given to no one else. Now, if his have before, that wouldn't make or break the relationship for me, but if they hadn't it would make me feel all the more special, and the moment all the more precious :)Enough of my rambling though, I really appreciate this post Tess! And yours too Clare! God help us all to have good, healthy, pure relationships that lead to Him always!

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  14. Btw, Clare, I've been following this blog since I was in highschool. I love reading it, and find the posts very insightful and heartening, so thanks!

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  15. Wow, you girls are AWESOME. I just had the best time reading all your thoughts and comments. It's so helpful to get some more opinions! And thank you to those who asked questions and pushed me a little bit on some of the stuff I said. I think I'm going to do a follow-up post about emotional modesty/chastity to clear things up a little more. This was really interesting to read. Thank you to everyone who commented!

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  16. However, and emotional boundary might turn into a physical one. The more you divulge to a guy emotionally, the more you'll want to physically.

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  17. I feel like I should leave my thoughts as well. I think both you and Clare have some very valid points -- and I think it reinforces the idea that there is no "one-size-fits-all" way to go about in a relationship. I think that perhaps there is an idealized version. We all wish that when we meet a certain man, we'll know instinctively that he is the one. We would have become friends with him, and then just transition smoothly into a courtship while discerning marriage. But, really, maybe it's not likely this is going to happen. For one thing, most of the men out there, even Catholic men, are used to asking women out on dates to get to know them better. And sometimes, that is really the best way to get to know HIM better too.

    However, I also definitely stand by the motto never to date someone you wouldn't marry -- because yes, dating should be to find a husband, if your vocation is marriage. (Gosh, that sounds so Victorian, doesn't it? Finding a rich man for a husband... but I digress.) And likewise, not to date or be in a relationship when marriage is too far away on the horizon.

    I mean really, both you and Clare have the same ideas:

    Not dating young.
    Not casually dating just for the sake of pleasure or "fun."
    Dating or courting is for the purposes of discerning marriage, even if it doesn't start out that serious from the beginning (because the first date is most likely just to get to know this man better.)
    And to be friends with the guy before you date, or to know him fairly well from those group settings.

    Basically, it comes to what your definition of dating is; and it seems that all of us agree that we shouldn't date because it's fun, but because we truly want to get to know that young man better, and perhaps find out that we are called to marriage.


    --Liz B

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  18. So glad to see a discussion on this! Yay for all of you commenting! :)

    I really don't have much to add because I agree with Liz that we're all agreeing on a lot of basic points.

    I chose to not date in high school and am glad for that decision--mainly because I was too young to be pursuing marriage. I DO think I was a bit prideful/legalistic about that decision at times (even if I didn't realize it!)...I've dated a lot in college and afterwards. There have definitely been heartaches but I've been really blessed, too, by my experiences. I love dating simply because you learn from it. How to treat others. How to be treated. How to serve. How to love. I've learned a lot about myself (sinner alert! Dating shows me how selfish and prideful I can be!), about men, and about what I desire in marriage and a relationship.

    Standards are great (having shared morals/faith, respect, frequent Sacraments). Expectations can be bad if we judge others for not living up to our man-made ones. I think the first thing is to have your heart in the right place and be seeking sainthood in every moment--including relationships with young men.

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  19. Good post....as a guy (i'm probably totally crashing the party)...I will affirm the best way to get to know a guy is through conversation, dating. quickest way to turn a guy off...(unless he's already at that point) is to discuss marriage after day 1. Things must go in a linear progression :)...

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  20. I've always grown up knowing that I would court as my family has chosen to do so... and I must say, this is the first time I've heard someone argue FOR dating.

    I do have some problems with dating.

    1. When you go on a date... you're giving yourself to a man to take care of- right? He's the gentlemen, you're the lady, he takes care of you. Biblically, you should be in your earthly Father's protection. That's who God gave you to guard your heart and even though you are old enough for your dad to trust you in your decisions, that doesn't mean you should mean you instantly "get" to date.

    2. Most young women choose their dates- yes? In courtship, you can ask your daddy if it's okay to court this guy. Dad will make the decision whether or no this young man is suitable for his daughter. If it's negative, then you know that this young man isn't for you. Your dad still has 1st place in your heart and he guards it for you. Your dad is older and wiser and can tell a bad or good young man if he sees one. If he says yes- court this guy- you bring him into your home so your family can get to know him as well.

    3. There are WAY to many people who date for the fun of it. Listen, no one should just date to date. People should only date if they are considering to marry their boyfriend or girlfriend. You thrown your emotions out and they get tossed around when you just date to date. I believe that is practice of "date-breakup-date again" is what's caused divorce in our society. Think about it, you're just learning how NOT to commit yourself for a long time and then when you're through with your date, dump him. It's not right and it's essentially a mini version of divorce.

    I don't mean to preach or sound harsh but... really, dating has skyrocketed. So has divorce and babies out of wedlock. Think about it.

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  21. As a not young anymore, but still very Catholic woman :) I wanted to comment - I think dating should be taken on carefully and thoughtfully, yes. But I agree with you - dating is the way to get to know someone well. And while "group dating" (you mention in point 2) is a valid way to experience the interactions between men and women, in general, in a "safe" environment, maybe in high school, and even college... it is important to understand that love between one man and one woman is part of God's plan for humanity. I think as one matures, it is imperative to know whether you are not dating because of fear or some other obstacle...
    Dating can hurt, sure, but that is also part of the human experience. We date to discover if the other is Our Other.
    I disagree with the idea of dating only someone you would marry, as one of your commenters mentioned. That is to say - I would not date someone with values/morals/religion that was contrary to my own. But sometimes God asks us to date someone we wouldn't have on our radar.
    And I want to make this a point. I was very close friends with a guy for years. Never considered him someone I would marry - he was a good guy but never my "type". Long story short, God challenged me to open my heart. And we've been married now 17 years - our love continues to grow and deepen.
    So be cautious of your heart- yes! But be OPEN to more than your own sense of control dictates...be sure God's Spirit is in the mix.

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  22. I was eager to start following your 'Emotional Chastity' Posts. Where have they gone?

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  23. I've finished my piece on Emotional Chastity and it's coming out at the end of the month. Stay tuned! :)

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  24. As a Catholic woman, still in my mid-twenties, but now married for a couple years, I want to emphasize the importance of dating AFTER discerning marriage! My husband and I are like ships passing in the night far too much, and it's easy to feel like you know someone because you're married to them. For all of the same reasons listed here (from "it's fun!" to "getting to know him") it's important to keep dating! Plus you get to be emotionally open with him!

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    1. Yes, thank you for bringing up such an important point! :)

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